Gov. Hochul faces Congressional hearing on New York's sanctuary policies
WASHINGTON, D.C. (WABC) -- As President Donald Trump spars with California's governor over immigration enforcement, Republicans in Congress called other Democratic governors to the Capitol on Thursday to question them over policies limiting cooperation with federal immigration authorities.
Members of the House Committee on Oversight and Government Reform sat in front of large, full-color posters showing men who they said were in the country illegally when they were arrested for crimes in Illinois, Minnesota and New York - home of the governors testifying before the committee.
Committee Chairman Rep. James Comer began the hearing by introducing the family of a young woman killed in a hit-and-run traffic crash in Illinois, suggesting its sanctuary policies had facilitated the illegal presence of the driver of the other vehicle.
"Sanctuary polices do not protect Americans, they protect criminal illegal aliens," Comer said.
There's no legal definition of a sanctuary jurisdiction, but the term generally refers to governments with policies limiting cooperation with federal immigration authorities. Courts previously have upheld the legality of such laws.
But Trump's administration has sued Colorado, Illinois, New York and several cities - including Chicago and Rochester, New York - asserting their policies violate the U.S. Constitution or federal law.
Illinois, Minnesota and New York also were among 14 states and hundreds of cities and counties recently listed by the Department of Homeland Security as "sanctuary jurisdictions defying federal immigration law." The list later was removed from the department's website after criticism that it errantly included some local governments that support Trump's immigration policies.
As Trump steps up immigration enforcement, some Democratic-led states have intensified their resistance by strengthening state laws restricting cooperation with immigration agents. Following clashes between crowds of protesters and immigration agents in Los Angeles, Trump deployed the National Guard to protect federal buildings and agents, and California Gov. Gavin Newsom accused Trump of declaring "a war" on the underpinnings of American democracy.
"As we speak, an American city has been militarized over the objections of their governor," New York Gov. Kathy Hochul said. "At the outset, I just want to say that this is a flagrant abuse of power."
One of the most fiery exchanges came between Hochul and New York Republican Rep. Elise Stefanik, who recounted descriptions of violent crimes allegedly committed by immigrants in the U.S. illegally who were not previously detained by local police.
"You are not advocating on behalf of these victims, you are shielding illegals," Stefanik said to Hochul while interrupting the governor's attempted responses.
Hochul said the crimes were "horrific" and "heartbreaking" and insisted "we cooperate with ICE; we cooperate with law enforcement" in criminal cases.
Gubernatorial orders prohibit New York officials from inquiring about or disclosing a person's immigration status to federal authorities, unless required by law.
Hochul said law enforcement officers still can cooperate with federal immigration authorities when people are convicted of or under investigation for crimes. Since she took office in 2021, Hochul said the state has initiated the transfer of more than 1,300 incarcerated noncitizens to U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement at the completion of their state sentences.
"What we don't do is civil immigration enforcement - that's the federal government's job," Hochul said.
A Department of Justice lawsuit against New York challenges a 2019 law that allows immigrants illegally in the U.S. to receive New York driver's licenses and shields driver's license data from federal immigration authorities. At least 19 states and Washington, D.C., issue driver's licenses regardless of whether residents can prove their legal presence.
Stefanik has been named as a potential 2026 Republican gubernatorial candidate in New York.
Later in the hearing, Rep. Jim Jordan engaged in similar questioning with the New York governor.
During Jordan's questioning, Hochul said: "I don't have the details on every single person in the state of 20 million people."
The Democratic governors largely stayed cool under fire from Republicans, acquiescing to statements about the need for increased border security while also pointing blame on what they called an overarching reach of federal officials that has led to unlawful detentions. They also maintained that immigration reform is a job larger than what they can provide- that it's a job for Congress.
The House Oversight Committee has long been a partisan battleground, and in recent months it has turned its focus to immigration policy. Thursday's hearing follows a similar one in March in which the Republican-led committee questioned the Democratic mayors of Chicago, Boston, Denver and New York about sanctuary policies.
Mayor Eric Adams found himself on the defensive during that hearing last March because New York City is a Sanctuary City, where the rights of undocumented people are upheld.
"Law abiding immigrants in New York have an important role, immigrant New Yorkers, including those who are undocumented, pay billions of dollars in taxes and contribute billions more in spending power to our economy," Adams said.
During that hearing, Comer praised the mayor for his willingness to cooperate with immigration authorities, although the mayor acknowledged that such cooperation is limited by city law.
"City law makes it unlawful to collaborate with ICE for civil enforcement," he said. "We comply with all of these legal requirements and still manage the humanitarian crisis with the care and compassion, while at the same time bringing down crime, recovering our economy, and preventing any child from being forced to sleep on the streets."
Adams said New York City was hit with the largest humanitarian crisis in the city's history over the last three years. He said he can't have a city where parents are afraid to send their children to school or where an undocumented person refuses to seek medical care.
Minnesota Gov. Tim Walz, the first to testify on Thursday, rejected the assertion that Minnesota is a sanctuary state. It has no statewide law protecting immigrants in the U.S. illegally from deportation, though Minneapolis and St. Paul both restrict the extent to which police and city employees can cooperate with immigration enforcement.
"Enforcing immigration law is not the role of local and state governments," said Walz, who sent out a political fundraising email touting his congressional testimony.
Some laws signed by Walz have secured benefits for people regardless of immigration status. But at least one of those is getting rolled back. The Minnesota Legislature, meeting in a special session, passed legislation Monday to repeal a 2023 law that allowed adults in the U.S. illegally to be covered under a state-run health care program for the working poor. Walz insisted on maintaining eligibility for children who aren't in the country legally,
Heavily Democratic Chicago has been a sanctuary city for decades. In 2017, then-Illinois Gov. Bruce Rauner, a Republican, signed legislation creating statewide protections for immigrants. The Illinois Trust Act prohibits police from searching, arresting or detaining people solely because of their immigration status. But it allows local authorities to hold people for federal immigration authorities if there's a valid criminal warrant.
Gov. JB Pritzker, who succeeded Rauner in 2019, said that violent criminals "have no place on our streets, and if they are undocumented, I want them out of Illinois and out of our country."
"Illinois follows the law. But let me be clear, we expect the federal government to follow the law too," added Pritzker, who has been among Trump's most outspoken opponents and is considered a potential 2028 presidential candidate. "We will not participate in abuses of power. We will not violate court orders."
Hochul agreed: "My views on immigration are simple and direct. Our nation needs secure borders. Our nation needs comprehensive immigration reform from this body and our state laws dictate that we cooperate with ICE in criminal cases and our values dictate that we treat all law-abiding people with dignity and respect. The America I believe in is a nation of laws and a nation of immigrants abandoning either threatens the very foundation on which this great country was built."
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Information from The Associated Press
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